Orange Vocoder 10AE latency?

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hello,

Does Orange Vocoder 10AE AU plugin add any latency? We're using it in a live performance situation and are looking to use only plugins that do not add latency.

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[neuronaut]

OrangeVocoder adds a latency of about 20 msec (@44.1kHz) to the signal that passes through it (due to buffering and the AGC circuit) but this is compensated for by the host (of course, this compensation will not work in a realtime context).

There is no such thing as full duplex (ie. realtime playthrough) processing without latency, as the sound I/O hardware requires buffering and will add some latency even with no plug ins in the chain.

HTH,
--smb

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Hello,

Can you tell me exactly how many samples of latency OV adds? (rather than in milliseconds?)

I know about host input and output latencies - those are unavoidable. What is avoidable are additional latencies
added by additional plugins.

Regards,
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[neuronaut]

512 sample frames @ 44.1kHz because the AGC window is 1024 frames in size and uses lookahead measurement.

--smb

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thank you.

I wish I could find a AU vocoder that sounded as good as the OV with minimal latency!

[neuronaut]

Thank you! Unfortunately, AGC is important for intelligibility so there's no way to keep the sound and reduce latency... If you're after processing voice this is usually not a problem, but it can be a problem with drums in a realtime context...

--smb

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yeah, so I am having to look into some other vocoders for our live show:

Virsyn Matrix
Eiosis ELS Vocoder

both claim to have no latency - I'll have to test them out and see how they sound compared to OV.

Regards,
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[neuronaut]

Personally, I only tried the Eiosis so far and didn't like it, its sound was too muffled and hard to understand. I did not try the Virsyn Matrix yet but I'll check it out, thanks for the tip.

--smb

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btw neuronaut,

Here is a video of a live performance where the vocals are 100% orange vocoder (even with the latency!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUlmXvpgIfA

Not sure if you are into it, but if you are, you could use it as a promo for the product!



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